How much does medicare for all cost?The koch brothers funded research from a conservative think tank, to find the total cost, the total bill, to determine how much the medicare for all bill would cost the US. What they found was surprising. Single payer health care, medicare for all, actually saves the country money by a staggering 2 trillion dollars. Ironically, the Koch brothers defended the cost for medicare for all, single payer health care through their research. Savings from prescription drugs prices and administrative costs were responsible for the savings.
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How much does medicare for all cost?The koch brothers funded research from a conservative think tank, to find the total cost, the total bill, to determine how much the medicare for all bill would cost the US. What they found was surprising. Single payer health care, medicare for all, actually saves the country money by a staggering 2 trillion dollars. Ironically, the Koch brothers defended the cost for medicare for all, single payer health care through their research. Savings from prescription drugs prices and administrative costs were responsible for the savings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szfx4-Mf3_o
Tell me what you think the future of single payer health care is in the US! Will Bernie win in 2020 and it will pass ? Or will it’s hype die like it did in the 90s?
jeff singleton obama care does not effectively lower prices. That’s the issue with it. It just funds a system that encourages inflation of prices. Single payer is incredibly superior
MrSmallANDLoud i agree.
The only thing that will lower cost is competition.
As a conservative im open to the idea but the devil is in the details.
Something beaurocrasy can never seem to get right.
jeff singleton well, out of all major countries, we are the closest to a competitive market in health care . Even prior to obama care. Yet prices were still double other countries with single payer . Why?
MrSmallANDLoud what do you mean by double?
And for what, per what, why and what quality care are we talking?
Were people receiving double the care?
I cant answer that question, for i cant know what it entails, or know the validity or totality of the information you’ve been provided with
Is it fair for me to mention the incentive and technological advancements that market economies provide?
At what point do we define the line between economics and sociology?
The factors vary to the absolute degree right down to individual choice, geography, culture etc…
Extreme and interesting example: the Native Americans were said to be able to cure nearly every disease and ailment know to them, and do so communally, holistically, and sustainably thru proper resource allocation within small communities. In other words relativity is everything
What does cheap mean?
To me, it seems obvious what the most efficient (cheapest) method of economization is. Free markets
To me, the debate is based on incorrect assumptions and wrong questions.
The question should be, how do we allocate welfare to those who actually need it and deserve it; and how do we do so as not to thwart proper resource allocation, freedom, responsibility etc…
Its too broad of a concept to conflate morality and economics. Atleast for me.
There are two groups of people who already receive “universal” care.
Inmates and politicians.
Now forget about all that
What is universal healthcare?
And what is free market healthcare?
You can only begin a concise discussion on this precept.
Has anyone yet to define universal healthcare? Therefore can we even forecast the cost?
The line can only stop with 100% communism.
Sorry bout all this, i know its kinda dodging the question but its important.
A simple RELATIVE answer is, i dont believe free market care ever cost double the price it does now, its impossible to calculate one way or the other
What does Bernie care provide?
I actually did a video looking at research for this topic. Its a long video, but the first section of it is on how the US health care system compares to every other country with some form of socialized medicine. In it, I demonstrate we have higher costs, with lower health care outcomes. I would give it a gander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_jjdNNAu0
Well i can OD for free! I don’t have to waste money on a single bullet to end my worthless life! Lol
SnoogsDeNooch excuse you. I’d drag you back from hell just to make you continue watching YouTube videos. Ain’t getting out of your channel that easy.
I think if bernie Sanders can save us 2 trillion dollars let him!
Bernie runs in 2020. He wins. Because he is such a huge motivating force for liberals and independent, not only does he win, but the down ticket benifit for democrats is HUGE. They take near tired senate, and the house . Once he has that supermajority, there isn’t anything but any democrat resistors who can stop him from passing it!
I have a feeling that there will be some sort of retraction or correction to this article very soon from that think tank when they realize what has happened here.
Liberals invaded our research lab , and changed the numbers , we are victims, give us money!
I won’t really change any conservatives minds. Everyone of them that I talk to still throw the big number around, and act like it’s too expensive .’ignoring the context completely . Evidence doesn’t change people’s mind in this political age
Regular conservatives I have convinced, it’s the FAR right wing jokers that don’t care about facts or evidence when it doesn’t suit their reich winger worldview…don’t stop trying to tell regular conservatives what’s really up.
Very true. Since the vast majority of workers are struggling from stagnate wages, they are often way more willing to jump ship . I think it’s actually an economic division on this particular issue TBH. But you need to have a chance to explain how it’s going to save them money while giving them care: removing your monthly insurance payments. I don’t think Bernie does a good enough job of that tbh. Not sure why.
What is really sad is that people continually harp on the money-savings – -which I guess is the most important thing to conservatives.
BUT it will also raise quality of life for tens of millions and save lives.
Can’t agree more. Morality arguments should take precedent as a main driving force in our policy decision. However, appealing to someone’s self interest seems to be easier to convince them. I don’t like it at all.
MrSmallANDLoud It’s because, thanks to donald trump, the billioniare dumb-dumbs run the country. As he is fond of saying: sad.
Medicare for all is fine, as long as no benefit for fat related disease. Cutting medicare medicaid va insurance with zero benefit for fat related disease. Why it’s important to discrimnate? 40% of use medicall bills come from fat related disease (hearth attack and diabetes). You even can have craddle to grave universal healthcare (as long as cutting benefit for fat related disease)
Science has already concluded the objective fact that being at a certain weight level is harmful to your health. Anyone claiming otherwise better come prepared with some good data and not a personal anecdote, else their argument is unlikely to convince me. Shaming shouldn’t occurring. Making fun of someone just makes the problem worse. But you are creating a viable threat to life on impressionable , ignorant individuals who may believe your incorrect Medical evidence by claiming you can be morbidly obese and healthy. I will counter that threat with consistent insistence on the scientific research says otherwise. If we don’t speak up, people can LEGIT DIE.
MrSmallANDLoud I am not talking about trollin fat people. What i am saying is don’t subsidize bad habit. Let say end subsidy high fructose corn syrup, and use that budget to subsidize organic fat. Those idea already being regard as sexist, ableist according to feminazi, because it delibretly make junk food become expensive.
Oh 100%. Subsidizing hfc, which is horrible for the human body, is actually costing us way more tax dollars than the initial subsidy . If that’s what you mean I’m on board ha
MrSmallANDLoud But the thing is conservative farmer support it, and fat acceptance feminazi support it
Guess we gotta just change their minds , now don’t we ;p?
FACT: If the prices we paid for healthcare were the same as the rest of the world. We could take what the U.S. government currently spends on healthcare, cover everyone in the country, and eliminate the health insurance companies.
You hit on a fumdamental point ALOT of people misunderstand. Medicare for all isnt taking current prices, and just handing out health care. Its fundamentally restructuring health care in a way that reduces prices, maintains quality of health care, and increases access. CNN a hit piece of bernie sanders and other progressive with this very flaw.
(sorry for the delayed response. for some weird reason your comment was counted a spam by youtube)