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Fact-Checking Trump's Fake News 'Medicare For All' Op-Ed
>Donald Trump decided to write-
lost me right there man
He didn’t write a damn thing, probably just said a bunch of verbal diarrhea and some White House aide wrote down his incoherent ramblings as fast as possible.
I’m just amazed that he wrote a series of complete sentences. But I’m sure he had some grown-up supervision and help. Still gets an “F” for “False”, though.
Does not say he wrote it, just that he decided.
No way he wrote that himself.
I feel bad for whomever was picked to edit that article; I bet they slept like a log afterward.
Trump literally said on the campaign trail “EVERYONE WILL BE COVERED”
Do your job, Mr. President
+John Kasich source? And furthermore how many illegals with source?
says the only dumb person here XD
Are you dumb as hell? The Democratic and Republican parties are two sides of the same coin. They only care about corporate interests. Hell, Trump and Clinton were most likely working together. She set him up to be able to bulldoze over him, and it just didn’t happen. We owe that goblin Clinton for that dumbass Trump.
…he never specified WHAT they’d be covered with
He could have had Pence’s job. But he turned it down. Not that I blame him. Even if I were a Republican, I could never imagine working with the Orange Imbecile.
24min Secular talk video?
*Pauses Porn*
So it’s boring?
+Fralab his talks can be a bit mind numbing.
You just read my mind. I shut down my porn tab to watch “TAN-SKINNED BLOND GETS FUCKED BY HOT JERSEY BOY”
+Stormey Danielz her tits look hella weird
I don’t believe for a second that he even wrote 25% of this by himself
+Godless Toyota 1/10 of 1%.
+SaturnV that I can actually believe that
I figure someone else wrote the entire thing then maybe, just maybe, somebody read it aloud to him.
If there’s a single word longer than 5 letters and length of course he didn’t write it.
Pointless video since Trumptards believe that anything that comes out of Trump’s mouth is the gospel truth
whyamimrpink78
Another addendum because something just came to me.
If that really is the way some people came up with that number, then that is arguably worse than what I previously thought. Very bad and very sad. Can’t let people continue to use that point that way.
jojo, that is what they are doing. I know you read the study and you have been somewhat fair about this. But others aren’t. They are using the $32.6 trillion over 10 years and comparing it to what we spend now. It is why I say that many on the far left like Kyle dismiss the other side. They are ignoring what is actually in the study. They are ignoring the entire study and simply looking at one number. You can find a video of Kyle talking about the study back in August 2 where he cites that number.
+Marlon White again where’s your evidence at for your grotesque comment? Especially for Bernie being a bigger con man than trump, because you need logic, reason, and evidence for any of what you said to be true.
whyamimrpink78
Hello again.
*” In section 107 Bernie’s bill outlaws duplicate coverage. That is where I argue, and many lawyers will argue, that Bernie’s bill outlaws private insurance. Why? Well, in duplicate coverage that means coverage that Medicare already covers. To give an example, say you did not have insurance and I do. Say you need an MRI and I do as well. My insurance will cover the MRI where you will have to pay for it out of pocket. Now say Medicare for all is passed. Now Medicare will pay for your MRI and mine. I can’t use my private insurance for the MRI because Medicare covers it. Why does that law exist? Because if private insurance exists that covers it than the situation is created that hospitals will favor private insurance if it pays more or if it pays quicker compared to Medicare. Thus you still have the situation where people get cared based on the size of one’s wallet as Bernie will argue. That is what Medicare for all is supposed to prevent. That is the spirit of the law. So any private insurance that covers an MRI will be outlawed where you and I can get an MRI and one of us will have to wait regardless of our income. Is that fair? One can argue either way. But that is why the law is written the way it is.”*
I will say you have an interesting argument that Bernie’s plan would limit what private insurers could cover. I mean just look at how much Bernie’s bill is supposed to cover. To be honest, the coverage is more comprehensive than any public insurance from Universal Healthcare countries. I mean just look at it…
The Plan Covers
“(1) Hospital services, including inpatient and
outpatient hospital care, including 24-hour-a-day
emergency services and inpatient prescription drugs.
(2) Ambulatory patient services.
(3) Primary and preventive services, including
chronic disease management.
(4) Prescription drugs, medical devices,
biological products, including outpatient prescription
drugs, medical devices, and biological products.
(5) Mental health and substance abuse
treatment services, including inpatient care.
(6) Laboratory and diagnostic services.
(7) Comprehensive reproductive, maternity, and
newborn care.
(8) Pediatrics.
(9) Oral health, audiology, and vision services.
(10) Short-term rehabilitative and habilitative
services and devices. ”
Private health insurance plans under this would be pretty limited to say the least. But nothing you said discredits the idea that the private insurance would be outlawed, because those many lawyers will still have to explain why the other sections of the bill I laid out are completely null and void. I’d definitely enjoy that argument.
Though the more likely situation is that if a medicare for all bill would even get something like a hearing or review, there would be a lot of changes as to what it covers and more ironing out of the details as there tends to be with these bills that greatly effect the system.
*”saying there are shortcomings in a study does not mean the study is pointless.”*
See I never implied this. What I did imply is that there needs to be more to what you’re saying than there are shortcomings. It would be better to elaborate on…
A. What those shortcomings are?
B. How much these shortcomings would effect the data?
…at least some kind of details.
*”The study provides valuable information. But the issue is that there is a lot more to it than what one study can make.”*
As is all.
*”That is why no academic source creates healthcare rankings where special interest groups do.”*
Well it’s a good thing this isn’t a healthcare ranking.
*”No academic source will ever come to a strong conclusion like that because a researcher’s career will be questioned and attacked.”*
I’ve read some papers. Usually for researchers to get around this kind of thing they will use words like suggests, strongly suggests, implies etc.
But, as some point there becomes a moment where researchers in fields start to treat certain studied things as facts. Why is this if researcher’s never come to strong conclusions? And if the researchers aren’t coming to strong conclusions, then who is?
I know this should be an easy answer since you’re a researcher and I’m interested in your answers.
*”As for the 45,000 and comparing to other nations, of someone dies on a waiting list or due to lack of resources that is the same as dying due to lack of access to healthcare.”*
Okay, but there is a difference between being uninsured and lacking access to healthcare. That’s why in a previous comment I criticized Kyle for saying ‘lack of access to healthcare’.
*”You can’t say that number is zero in other nations because it isn’t.”*
I can because if everyone is insured in a Universal healthcare nation. No one is dying due to being uninsured. You’re ignoring the difference between being uninsured and lacking access to healthcare(ie waitlines).
*”You saying it is zero in other nations is you lowering the standards there and holding the US to a higher standard. On paper everyone is covered in other nations, but they are also covered in the US as well by law as the ER cannot deny anyone service regardless of income.”*
It’s not me lowering standards. It’s me using the correct terminology as described in the study. It’s called being precise. I’d use the wait lines deaths instead, but as you would say I’d be dealing with an “empty-stat” as the US doesn’t provide those numbers reliably.
And sure… the ER cannot deny anyone service. But the ER isn’t the only avenue for healthcare. The ER doesn’t count as “EVERYONE IN THE US HAS HEALTHCARE COVERAGE”.
*”You need to set the same standard if you want to do comparisons which is difficult to do.”*
Not too long ago you were making comparisons using two different types of stats…
Why would he write an op-ed?
his fans don’t read.
donHooligan his fans cant read
+Tony H they can, just not anything beyond about a third grade level of comprehension hence why they can understand Trump’s tweets.
Oengus Fearghas 140 words or less. Sad.
I Legit have cousins and a brother who have proudly proclaimed they are, and I quote: “Proud non-book readers.” And love Trump
“They’re raiding Medicare to fund socialism.”~Orange Mussolini
They’re gutting socialism to fund socialism.
Orange Mussolini talks about raiding medicare because that’s what HE intends to do. Projection is Trumps tic.
“They want to destroy Medicare to pay for Medicare for All” – He somehow made it worse the second time he said it.
>“Mussolini”
Lmao good goy. You must have forgot the time Il Duce literally enacted universal health care AND maternal aid for his people.
Chump literally told his base that coal is “clean” and they cheered for that.
His base…omg..smh.
Trump’s got the miners scrubbing chunks of coal with brushes and Dawn dish soap. Seems to be working considering his own administration said humanity will die by the year 2100.
Deplorables
https://scontent.fadl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16806880_1284904328261535_5411301631367855902_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&oh=f813f39f76c31209419e1c5ddb52c8ba&oe=5C5578B6
+James Blackstone I bet you voted for a guy who ordered hits on civilians in other sovereign countries with a 92% civilian casualty rate.
You pay for the GENOCIDE in Yemen and you want to talk about deplorable!?
Every American supports (financially) war (remember the civilian casualty rate) to the tune of about $3000 a year. I hope you all receive due punishment for your apathy.
Your nation has murdered more people than the Nazi’s that you continue to support so don’t mention the word deplorable you dunce. Nobody ever thinks they are the problem and that’s the problem. – Fellow Westerner
There’s one positive thing about this op-ed… most of Trump’s zombie like followers probably don’t read USA Today. Or read.
Death Panels = Insurance providers’ boards of directors.
A+. Best retort to that Republican meme that I’ve ever seen.
“Koch stunded fuddy”
-Kyle Kulinski, 2018
goofy gamer NO im telling you to duck some sick. LOSER
goofy gamer its funny cuz corner and cry both start with a c so you couldnt even mix those trying LOL
It was at that moment that goofy gamer knew, he ucked fup!
too much seltzer
Band name: The Stunded Fuddies
Would it actually be Stunded Fudies? I tried looking it in the dictionary but I didn’t find a single ducking fefinition.
nice words
The Koch brothers *ARE* the Stunded fuddies.
Kyle has the best words, tremendous
Kyle Kulinski for President 2024
Bernie 2020
Gabbard 2028
Kulinski 2036
@Kuyon Kyle will be the second legless president. He’ll be the next FDR and govern from a wheelchair.
he’d never win but id vote for him
Can’t do it, Bernie will be running for his second term then.
Also the out of context videos and the fact that he lacks legs.
Besides, can we really trust a Big Seltzer sellout to run the country?
Chris M That would ironically be a miracle.
The NHS is a system I would never replace for anything even close to resembling the US system.
Last week my mum was taken to hospital with chest pains, she had an ambulance ride, multiple chest x rays, 3 blood tests not to mention all the other cardio monitoring systems that are put in place while on the ward and she was kept in for the whole day carefully monitored and looked after by fantastic hard working staff and then discharged at the end of the day with medication in case the problem returns. Cost to her £0.
Next month my tonsils are being removed. I have had multiple MRI scans due to back problems over the years and I’m not even 30 yet. Cost to me: £0.
I know for a fact that if we lived in the States we’d have been debating calling an ambulance for her chest pains, and there is no way in hell I’d have had my MRI scans. The NHS is in crisis at the moment because of partisan political posturing by the ruling party and no other reason. The system is fit for purpose it just needs to be funded right.
Link10103 at the hospital I work at a “bed day” (just taking up a bed overnight) is $2,500.
Yep I love the NHS, i suffer from mental health problems and have to see hospital staff and get medication every two weeks and it doesnt cost me a penny. The american system is a joke; only supporting the rich.
killerbee256 trust me, we don’t vote Tory.
While I would take the NHS to the US model, its actually grossly inferior to comparable EU health care systems. I suffered significant brainstem damage during an ms relapse, A&E refused to treat me despite going in and out every day. I was forced to wait 2 months on a waiting list to see a neurologist. Because I was misdiagnosed by GPs for 20 years.
The problem is underfunding though, and the fact that you can’t go straight to a specialist. In other countries this is not the case.
It’s so weird to see both the DNC and GOP teaming up against Medicare For All while battling one another 24/7. They seemingly take breaks just to say flat out lies on the subject. Must mean they are terrified it is gaining a lot of steam.
wreckless 40 year old frat boys
WrecklessEating I agree. Anything but what Senator Sanders recommends for the people who he stands for and beside.
+F Z I find that it alternates. They either say they’re for it and then flip when they have the power to support it, they say their for it but can’t do it “right now”, or they are truthful and say they say they’re not for it.
It means they tapped into money they swindled from unsuspecting average Americans that pay into it like the fucking thieves they are. Political ideologies be damned when it comes to billions.
Bernie: Medicare for All!
Trump: Lobotomies for All!
Make the Posters now!
Ha! Yeah! Trump’s like “I had one myself, and see… I’m the friggin’ POTUS”!
omg this would be great agitprop! except… it won’t work on the already-lobotomized trumptards.
I almost died laughing. Great work sir.
There are 2 types of people in the world: People who think the government is looking out for their best interest and people who think.
Socialism preys upon the unwary, the low information voters, the uneducated and the young.
Christina haha
Classic “divide and conquer” technique of turning seniors against younger citizens!
That’s what needs to happen those youngsters to divide and conquer states like Wyoming and the dakotas yo name a few, but they rather live in big cities and be in a comfortable zone. Who is winning? I ask myself.
Bernie debunked this op-ed with his own op-ed
Where is it?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-lies-medicare-all-health-care-column/1594863002/
+Wheely Dan here is the YouTube video https://youtu.be/ivK51bNsNWw
And Bernie actually wrote his own unlike Dump
This might be just as bad because USA today is playing the neutrality card. “Never ever pick a side even if it’s the right one, we just want to keep our base from being offended and dont want them to run away to there safe space.” Of course Bernie is right but we didn’t need to hear from the other side if the other side is just factually wrong.
I’m a registered Republican and have been for many years but honestly, I agree with you on universal healthcare. It’s just the right thing to do.
You’re talking about the same Republicans who are in bed with the mega corporations who last I checked are also in bed with the Democrats. The fact is that neither party’s leadership is actually following the will of the people. We aren’t living in a two party system currently we are living in an oligarchy ruled by the mega wealthy.
+E&J Family but which republicans aren’t in bed with corporations? At least in the dems some of them arent completely gone. And socially they are better than republicans. Equal rights, health care, less cuts on social programs
+E&J Family tp follow on from david, literally every single republican is an asvocate of trickle down economoics which is proven not to work. Deregulation and tax cuts for the rich is always the answer ever since Regan.
I am honestly not wanting to be rude towards you. But by the standards you gave the republicans are awful
E&J Family, You’re right, but you’re the one who said he’s a Republican and even called them “my party” (they’re not your party, not even close). I never defined myself as a Democrat; I got better sense than that. So yeah, it’s a two-party system, with 2 parties that are near-identical. They both work for the rich and to screw over regular people. Just that the Republicans work harder for the rich.
@E&J Family what was the argument that got you to support Medicare for all?
Yeah but it’s likely that Trump thinks this is all true. Sometimes I wonder if he’s more so evil or stupid.
Yeah he’s just really really dumb. I truly believe Trump thought he could change the system because he’s so politically ignorant he thought he had more power than the banks, military industrail complex and the intelligence agencies. Hahaha. He doesn’t have a clue what’s going on so the permanent state as in the people who don’t come and go with election cycles take full advantage of his ignorance. Hrs basically an over grown child who is very easy manipulated. I think he’s slimey and greedy and evil in the way he treats woman etc but he’s totally out of his depth in Washington. I don’t think he even thought he’d win in the beginning. He just wanted to add, ‘ran for president’ to his small sad list of accomplishments..
No. Trump knows that Medicare for All is the way to go. He even floated the idea when he first got into office. Before getting into office he spoke about being over seas and his friend got hurt and had to go to the hospital and praised their healthcare system. So he’s not ignorant(well, he is ignorant, but not in this instance), he knows what he’s talking about and he 100% knows he’s lying, but he counts on Americans having an extremely short political memory.
He’s not evil, he is corrupt and stupid. Evil is like Hitler or Sauron or Voldemort; Trump’s not that, he’s just an incompetent, corrupt, stupid guy who somehow got into the presidency by accident.
+oandersontech That, he’s a tool of evil men, he himself is just a moron.
He’s the stupid puppet of morally bankrupt corporatists.
This is the craziest issue I’ve ever seen. I’m from Australia, had my appendix removed, my tonsils removed, spent a week in hospital from an infection and had multiple tests throughout my life. Cost is $0. We have a long waiting list for non life threatening conditions, but can get private health insurance if we don’t wish to wait, which is tax deductible (meaning we don’t pay as much tax if we don’t use the public health system). It’s absurd that the richest country in the world can’t afford to look after their own people. It has gotten to the point where the rest of the world now feels sorry for American citizens.
Oh nooo, Australia must be such a Venezuelan wasteland.
*(((((SARCASM)))))*
Lol. We’re not the wealthiest country in the world. What do people even base that on? Just GDP?
Matrix Man Just take the criticism. It’s the truth.
+Velako I agree, but it’s either ignorant or disingenuous to make stupid statements like these.