The Trump administration’s top health official on Thursday dismissed “Medicare for all” as a promise that’s too good to be true.
“When you drill down into the details, it’s clear that Medicare for all is a misnomer. What’s really being proposed is a single government system for every American that won’t resemble Medicare at all,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said during a wide-ranging speech in Nashville, Tenn.
Azar said embracing Medicare for all would mean ignoring the mistakes of ObamaCare, which he called a failure.
“The main thrust of Medicare for all is giving you a new government plan and taking away your other choices,” Azar said…
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This is just beyond disappointing. This is by far, the worst Republican excuse I’ve ever heard.
Give them time.
We have money to give to Israel, and the Saudis. But Americans, especially as ppl age and diseases become more complex?
Nah, can’t afford it.
The US is the only country where life expectancy is going down. Not counting countries where new conflicts, wars have started.
Just shows the greed & mentality of the average republican. They rather spend $10K of their own money for healthcare, instead of $9K thru taxes for healthcare. Why? – because it’ll also help those that can’t afford any.
Yeah, its too good to be true. I mean we’ve only had it running fine for 70+ years. These Trump advisors really do think there isn’t a world outside the US, don’t they? You can literally SEE these things working
Marlon is a comedian i think
charcharmunr The majority of Americans actually want Universal Healthcare, it’s big Pharma and insurance companies that pour millions into lobbying to stop it. I have spent over a decade in the UK as an American and I can say that the healthcare system was working well, I never had to worry about an emergency for myself or my children that were born there, for free
+Marlon White nobody saw it Obamacare would work out that’s crazy won’t be able to type this is not working it’s still not coming out right
@Jeremy: he’s not a very good one, IMO. : /
JamesistheThunder I’m sure they know that it’s working in other parts of the planet, but they just don’t want to do it
If it were too good to be true.’ Why is it that *all* politicians get free, guaranteed healthcare again? Oh, wait and how much do we overspend on frivolous/not wanted/or needed military industrial complex…..
I know it. I bring this up in every conversation I have with the trumptarded in my area. It’s like their brains shut off.
Had a guy put up a hand the other day when I pointed this out, and he said “Just stop talking.”
Jonathan Johnson they’re idiot I hope they suffer for this
They dont get free healthcare. Their healthcare coverage costs thousands of dollars a year. It is just BETTER than cheaper versions
+Just Saying Stop eating paint chips.
Yet somehow a really expensive unaccountable military “for all” is attainable?
Military brings in money and keeps out other countries, dont knock it
+Just Saying You’re either stupid or trolling.
Mass-murder for profit is an ABHORRENT “business” which needs to be SHUT DOWN.
+Mark healthier future recruits mean healthier new recruits. That’s a case for it, right?
Ah yes it would take away our choices between bankruptcy or death
The current system doesn’t require you choose one the for profit companies will gladly let you die after your bankruptcy.
my,how generous of our might benefactors….not making us choose…choices are hard after all,much better to have things chosen for us……
That’s what politicians always say, then they go ahead and cut taxes for the rich.
Yes, but all that wealth being hoarded by the 1% is going to trickle down on you peasants real soon! You just wait and see…
He’s right. Can’t afford health care for all when the American dream is to become as rich as possible. Giving health care to all is like killing the American dream. Do you really want Jeff Bezos to have less money than someone from another country, by taking away his money.
– I imagine that to be the logic of right wingers
Norway, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, UK, France.
They think we are all as uneducated as the Trumptards.
+George Arndt That would be constitutional and I would have no problem if states took that responsibility.
Insurance is the problem but instead of trying to get rid of the need to have insurance the govt simply wants to nationalize it. The solution is to combat the inflation of medical care
+Fredrik Herre
Your source does not show what the life expectancy is when you remove car accidents and murders. Read the book “The Business of Health” to see their methods.
You still have not answered the point on if someone has access to healthcare why do they die on waiting lists? The reason why is because they did not have access. You can move the goal posts all you want but that is the reality.
whyamimrpink78
You’re a moron. My link does show you the gap and how removal of car accidents and murders affect the gap. If you refuse to see it that is your problem. Not mine. The business of health does not help your point. I have read it a couple of years ago. It’s just a book that shows how the healthcare industry in the US is setup, it’s negatives and positives.
I just did answer it in my last reply. Again, if you fail to realize what being covered means, that’s your problem. Not mine. If you fail to realize what access is, that is your problem. Not mine. If you fail to realize what a waiting is, that is your problem. Not mine.
I will not answer any more of your regurgitated posts.
Matrix Man the great depression was caused by mass deregulation. Something Scandinavian countries are intelligent enough to avoid.
DID YOU FORGET VENEZUELA!!!???
To good to be true, except it works in EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY. The UK since 1948. Imagine if like the UK or France denied that helicopters worked…. if they were like “I just don’t see how something could hover in the air, it’s not feasible” while every other country was flying helicopters….
Adam … Yes you are correct but that is because our Governments since the evil Thatcher see an opportunity for the wealthy to make money. But it is still awesome
Just saying… What is your point please . The USA has more money than uk
Those are countries with much smaller populations and without huge illegal immigration issues.
Just Saying, there’s not enough food for 325million americans.
Lol that was funny. That really is tantamount to what they’re saying.
But wars are okay right?
Obama didn’t end the wars either.
Republicans don’t want to implement single-payer healthcare, because deep down, they know that the policy will be successful.
They don’t want successful left-wing policies (like single-payer healthcare) to discredit failed right-wing policies (like trickle-down economics).
This
+shaving ryan’s privates The Netherlands has a population of less than 20 million, US subsidized defense, and ranks higher than the US in the economic freedom index, yet despite that have higher taxes than we do and despite that rank 5 in countries with highest external debt. Do you think that looks like a sustainable model?
Nobody is asking the US to pay so much for defense. We choice not to waste as much money on it and rather spend that money on the people. Don’t blame us your government isn’t doing the same. You are spending more than the 8 largest militaries beneath you. More than half of those are your allies. It is a HUGE waste of money and mostly benefits the military industrial complex. USA has twice the debt percentage of gdp. Netherlands it being 55% usa 107% of gdp. The USA is doing MASSIVE deficit spending while the netherlands has a surpluss almost every year. Yes this model is sustainable.
Republicans would gladly pay triple if that means the poor have to do without. They gladly pay more to kill the poor.
Too good to be true except for every other modern country where we can see it working and getting superior results to our system.
It won’t do any good for my stubbed toe when I have to wait for that stupid kid to be finished with his chemotherapy first, duh.
‘But…but…Venezuela!’
Matrix Man truck drivers have a company that they work for that is local to its state of orgin
Matrix Man the constitution does not have anything about health care. Im still looking for a clause. The affordable care act is not part of the constitution it was something enacted by congress. However if your willing to fully regulate the people that provide the healthcare its an option. Take out the rules that disallow people from ordering drug from other countries, since we allow price gouging here.
+eddy williams No its not that we allow price gouging here. Its just that because you need to spend millions and wait ten years to get FDA approval to make a 25 cent drug, big pharma has the power to charge whatever they want for a drug that can be made in a small lab, even more if they have a patent. I know this cuz I have an uncle who has a career in pharma.
As for truck driver if they drive within a state, they are bound by state law, not federal
+Kyle So why is capitalism not the most economically sustainable system?
+Matrix Man if you read my previous posts, you’d see reasons aforementioned. Also, we already tried unfettered capitalism (pretty much) back in the day. Guess what we had to do? Break up the large companies and create regulations in order to keep the system going. It didn’t take long for that to happen.
If they want to be believed on their actual premise, they’re just admitting that they’re really dumb and don’t know how to make something that all other modern western countries have done, that both improves life expectancy and reduces costs. Hold them to their words guys! They’re admitting that they’re dumb!
– Sent from Canada with love (with 3 yrs longer life expectancy @ 1/2 the costs per capita)
“Too good to be true”
I know republicans love scams but when it’s proven to work around the world, it’s not a scam.
In countries with much smaller populations and that don’t have a huge illegal immigration issue.
To people talking about our population, that argument doesn’t even make sense. Which is why nobody ever takes their argument all the way. “those countries have much smaller populations” and they stop right there. Because there’s no logical path to that conclusion. There’s actually reasoning AGAINST it though. More people means the pool covers BETTER. People don’t always take out what they put in. This is why the larger the insurance pool, the lower the cost
Shawn What you aren’t taking into account is that only 50% of the US working population effectively pay federal income taxes, the rest get their money refunded and get EICs to boot.
Mike Suarez we are ranked 37th in the world. We also have the have a higher infant mortality rate. We spend more than any county on healthcare, and don’t even live the longest. If you fucking believe that people deserve to go into debt just to not die than you’re essentially a fucking sociopath.
Ricky Spanish what you failed to take into account is that is a result of income inequality, the REASON so few pay taxes. Which can be offset by taxes the super rich at a much higher amount. Which makes sense since they absorb over 80% of all the wealth. Notice I said absorb, not earned. This is not a meritocracy and people game the system
So…. The rest of the world is getting it wrong….. According to this fool. Every other country can do it, but not America, that makes no sense.
america exceptionalism, even when its the right to be exceptional in stupidity. We need your help to dose a flame on the fire of stupidity and blatant corruption.
Poor America.
Considering any other topic your conservatives would claim the US is better than the rest of the world.
#shitholecountry
they still consider america the best even in healthcare, because for them it is the best healthcare cause they have money. its not for 99% of people who cant afford the private model’s unfairness
We’re paying for Israel to have universal healthcare, and we have been since 1995.
You are paying for Israel so they can have a bloated military and secret agencies as you do.
Why do I sense you’re an anti-semite?
Antisemitism is a go to move for people who dont have an argument against what u saying…. if you are against war mongering and murder of children then you are antisemite……..My philosophy is; if being against the war machine and the military industrial complex makes me an anti semite then i am anti semite…..
“The filthy peasants don’t deserve healthcare.”
No “deserves” anything
Well you do need a full time job that is not meant for a teenager.
“that’s just, like…your opinion, man”
not everybody worships money, Prickey
donHooligan I like money, which is why I don’t want the left in power.
I guess the rest of the world is a fantasy land. Only the U.S exists, and some oil rich wastelands.
The following is two complete lists of countries that provide neither free nor universal healthcare coverage & countries that provide both. Pay special attention to how developed and/or wealthy they are.
*All countries with neither universal nor free healthcare:*
Afghanistan, Angola, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Chad, Comoros, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Gambia, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Iraq, Jordan, Kenya, Lebanon, Liberia, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Suriname, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, United States, Zimbabwe
*All countries with both:*
Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Bahrain, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ecuador, Eritrea, Estonia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Guernsey, Guyana, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Iran, Ireland, Isle of Man, Israel, Indonesia, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Kazakhstan, Kiribati, Kuwait, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macau, Macedonia, Malaysia, Maldives, Malta, Mauritius, Mexico, Moldova, Monaco, Montenegro, Namibia, Nauru, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niue, North Korea, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino,Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Seychelles, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Tuvalu, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Zambia
Explain to me again how the richest country in the history of the world can’t afford to move from the first list to the second list?
@joe cunningham I’m very sorry to hear that, but was the payment a monthly premium to the government or a bill that you could go *bankrupt* over? All the research I can find still to the point in the direction that in Germany, what you pay for public healthcare is not a bill, but a tax, and a tax that the citizens benefit from directly. “Medical Bankruptcy” seems to be a mostly American phenomenon. If I’m not mistaken, this does not exist in Germany. In Germany, your monthly premium is based on income, and half of that premium must be paid by your employer. Was it the public or private sector? The private sector of Germany is sometimes compared to the US healthcare system (whereas in the US compulsory healthcare lacks a public option, and people such as myself are completely uninsured and all costs must come out of pocket, even if it’s a nonsensical 600 dollar “room fee” because you were, momentarily, in a room). Unlike Germany where half of your public health insurance premiums are paid by your premium, whereas in the US it’s completely optional whether or not your employer gives you insurance, and up to them how good that insurance is, so I’ve just never had it.
+Libertarian Socialist my bill was to the hospital, and the doctors appointments after were billed to the clinics. The treatment (xray, medication, crutches and the actual treatment) was €150 so between $200 and $250. But that was for a badly twisted knee, tore my meniscus and partially tore a ligament. Luckily i could make it to the hospital myself but an ambulance would have been €500 and an MRI wpupd have been €800. I dread to think what surgery would have cost if it was needed. I know its no where as bad as america. Its illegal to be made bankrupt by medical bills here so if you are injured without insurance you can pay it gradually every month. It is also cheaper here. There are two options, either goverment health insurance in which there are a couple of companies to go through and the cost is dependant on your earnings are and its deducted from your pay. Then there is private which I’m sure i dont need to explain
+Libertarian Socialist also, if you are employed the employer has to pay at least half, with the option of all. But if you’re self employed like i am you pay all of it. And it’s also illegal not to have insurance.
Basically its a multipayer system thats very good and efficient, but bureaucratic. England is awesome in the sense that you are born with healthcare. No registering for insurance at all. And once you start earning and not in education you start contributing to the system
@joe cunningham I would definitely prefer an England-like system to what Germany has (though the Tories have been relentlessly damaging the NHS, the NHS itself is a wonderful system), but I’d also say that Germany’s system is vastly better than the United States (but I think Germany should move to a truly single-payer system)
Because America has rich scumbags that don’t want to be part of what makes America Great Again! They think that only they made their money and no one else should benefit with even healthcare!